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Hello: 

I would like to share my personal experience in China as an ESL female teacher.  China hasn't been that great for me, first as a "non-native" foreigner and as a woman. Maybe, that is only me, so, I am not really trying to offend anybody with my story but again, this has been my experience. Please take a note, so you don’t have to live what I had lived through.

By pure luck, I ended up working for one of the worst agencies in China. I believed their lies and came here virtually broke which is never a good thing when you venture in a country so far away from home. Without knowing the laws and the few rights we have as foreigners, I ended up working for what it seemed centuries for these people. I tried to get out and find "loopholes" in the system, but I didn't find any help. The few Chinese who wanted to help me, didn't know how, the rest of the Chinese didn't care because evidently it wasn't it their benefit to do so, and the foreigners I knew, just didn't help me in any way. Later, I found out that they actually knew what sort of an agency it was but they were not interested in giving any sort of warning. Others knew how to "get out" but wouldn't share these "loopholes" because they were too busy to help others. Everything was a "secret."

I regretted so many times going to China and working for these people. However, now I can tell you that unintentionally, they had given me a doctoral degree on how to survive China. So, I am happy to help other foreigners in China in any way I can.

Here it is a long review of the agency I used to work in Changchun. Sorry if that is too long, but this is how they work this agency and other ones in China. At the end, you will see a YouTube link from the owner from this agency. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, share this video to help me warn others. 

JILIN YOUNOVO/TIAN SHUO EDUCATION
Changchun, Jilin Province, China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8AtSqSoJo&t=312s

NOTE: The owner posted a promotional video in Youtube a week ago, and it had such a backlash from all the teachers who used to work for them that she disabled the comments, still the video went viral in Facebook among teachers warning others about her agency. In less than a week, she had to removed her video and closed her Youtube account. If that agency were as reputable as they claim, they wouldn’t have a problem putting themselves out there to be reviewed.

1. This agency has so many pseudonyms that is actually hard to keep up with them. Just remember, Mamma Wang is the owner, Maggie is the daughter, Kara and Chloe are their main minions who recruit teachers, and Jali, aka Lailah is the one in charge of housing and jobs. The other recruiters don’t really count, they just work there for a while, then they move on or get fired. Every 8 months or so, there is a new staff, except the untouchables who were mentioned before. 

2. There is no welcoming to begin with. They will rush you into the office (Jilin Younovo Education/Tian Shuo Education, Room 398, Floor 3, 3766 Yatai Grand Street, Changchun, China 130041) to sign a contract, take your passport, and take you to your next destination. 

3. Do not be deceived by their fake smiles and sweet voice. Whenever they see you, you are just money and western slaves they can boss around and abuse. 

4. The second thing they will require you to do is to hand in your passport and school documents. They will keep your original documents and delay returning of your passport. They will keep your FEC (red booklet), though it belongs to you, you will never see it. There have been cases where they had kept the passports from certain teachers. Their reason is to keep it “safe.” The real reason, they will need your passport to cancel your residency permit. WITHOUT your passport, your residency permit cannot be canceled. 

5. They will give the worst accommodation you have ever seen in your entire life, even if you come from a 3rd. world country which it was my case, I had never seen apartments in such pitiful conditions. 

6. They will deduct 2,000RMB for that luxurious accommodation which you will have to share with everyone who works for this agency. NOTE: depending on your nationality, you will have to share your own bed, YES, your bed with another teacher, regardless of your sex). 

7. Under no circumstances, they will give you any sort of cleaning products, even though, their apartments are filled with dirt, grease, and roaches.

8. During the first week after your arrival, someone from the agency will take you to open a bank account but they will keep the contract and that person will give his/her phone number. They will be able to get notifications about your transactions unless you change the phone number. Conveniently they neglect to mention this information. 

9. In the contract, it is mentioned that you will have to teach certain number of HOURS to reach the amount of money it was promised. HOWEVER, what they avoid to mention is that they will LITERALLY COUNT the minutes you had taught. For example, if you taught 22 classes of 40 minutes each, in one week, you will only get 14.6 hours of pay. And they will pay one week of payment for the first week. Even if you change schools, the drill will be the same. So, expect to be deducted for that week. 

10. Maggie (the owner’s daughter) has a policy that new teachers have to work in Changchun for the first 6 months of their contracts. So basically, it would be impossible to reach your full payment unless you work 7 days a week, teaching in several schools all over Changchun. The other option is to teach in a kindergarten. 

11. If you decide to leave Changchun because who wouldn’t like to experience a -40°C winter, you just have to remember that your original contract will be voided because the “school” wants a full year contract. Therefore, your contract will be extended for one more year to that date. If for any reason, you get fired or move to another city, then another contract must be signed, extending it for another year to that date. You could easily end up working for at least 3 years. But lately newbies have to sign initially 2-year contracts, they will tell you that is a Chinese requirement (another lie.)

12. Regarding salaries: The agency fee for finding you a job, will be 60% of your salary. YES, 60% or 70% of your SALARY (depending on your nationality) as the owners of this company think teachers DO NOTHING. There is no way around it. This is how they work. 

13. Your salary will be paid every 15 of each month. If the 15 falls under a national holiday, expect to be paid 2 weeks later. Why 2 weeks? No one knows. If the 15 falls on a weekend, your salary will be paid the following working day. And under no circumstance, your salary will be given in advance. 

14. If you happen to be a “non-native” teacher, expect your salary to be cut in half of what other teachers make. They will constantly tell you that your dark skin is a problem and how schools don’t want you because of your complexion, your nationality, your accent, and so on. They will find plenty of reasons why you are not good enough, so please thank them for their generosity as they are the ones doing you a favor by hiring you. By the way, you will never see a black person working for Mamma Wang and Maggie. If you are black, don’t even bother applying for a job with this agency.

15. 90% of the schools pay at least winter vacation but obviously you will never get one RMB from this money, unless, you have the best relationship with the school managers. Then they usually demand the agency to pay the teachers for the winter vacation.

16. The agency claims that it is ILLEGAL to give insurance to teachers. This is a lie. 

17. You will be FORCED (YES, you read it correctly) to sign a letter giving up your right to get a release and a recommendation letter, even if you finish your contract. Obviously, the release and the recommendation letter can be given to you if you pay around 10,000 RMB or up to 50,000 RMB (again, it depends on your nationality.)

18. If you are a woman, expect to be treated different. Do not expect equal rights and if you ever raise your voice, the main owner (Mamma Wang) might kick you or hit you and put you in your place. You have to understand that you are not or will not ever be their equal. 

19. If you find yourself in any sort of distress, do not count on anybody at the office to help you out. You are on your own. If you don’t find the school they appointed you, that is your problem. If you are sick, suck it up, you will have to teach or expect your salary to be deducted. 

20. For the first week, you will have to figure out by yourself the transport system, how to buy food and water, how to find the nearest supermarket, etc., you name it. Whatever you need to transition into this new culture, don’t expect them to help you. 

21. Teachers are expected to pay for all housing bills. Maggie and family own all the apartments in Changchun given by this agency. Though, from time to time, they move teachers from one apartment to the other to either upgrade you or downgrade you depending on your behavior. That means if you are fighting back, demanding to get your own money, a better accommodation, etc., you will be place in the worst apartment which believe me, they have from bad to worst. Their version is that the owner is “selling” the apartment. 

22. You will also HAVE TO PAY for your own visa fees, courier services, photos, medical tests, EVERYTHING. This agency doesn’t pay for ANYTHING.

23. Please note that they are some very LOYAL employees from this agency as they get money to recruit teachers or they could also get their own release letters if they bring someone they know to work for this agency. NICE, uhh?

24. Most of these foreigners working for these people WILL NOT tell you the truth about this agency. Other foreign teachers will tell you not to mess around with the owners. The reason is that they are pretty well connected to the local authorities (PSB and SAFEA.) At one point, during my forever contract, I reached for help to both government offices and their officials called Maggie to tell her I was there trying to get out. 

25. They send teachers to work all over China, though it is required by Chinese law to transfer the documents to the new school, so the teacher will work there legally. Well, don’t count on it, they will never do that as that would mean losing the control over the teacher. 

26. The company creates a sense of paranoia where you feel you cannot trust anybody, either for real reasons or not, working for this agency, you will not find any peace of mind. 

27. The owners constantly threaten people to blacklist them, deport them, or put them in jail if they do not BEHAVE or COMPLY to their demands.

28. Maggie and her mother want you to be completely dependent to the agency. They will prevent you to know anything that will actually be useful to your life in China. They will not share any extra information, you don’t need to know. 

29. If you finish your contract successfully, they will find ANY NUMBER OF REASONS to be deducted from your housing deposit (2,000 RMB.) I wouldn’t count on it. In my case, they kept 4,000 RMB.

30. Both Mamma Wang and her daughter, Maggie, seemed to be very well connected with the local authorities; and going to them will be pretty useless as they won’t help you, but they will call Maggie to inform them about your situation. So, if at one point of your contract, you want to leave, it will be virtually impossible to get another job without their “release letter.” Many teachers in the past had just gone back to their home countries. 

31. Reading and knowing all of these, if you still want to go ahead and sign with these people, mark my word: YOU WILL REGRET IT!!! 

32. If you still decide to go ahead, just don’t choose the 21st. Century building as your accommodation in Changchun. They have two of the worst apartments in that building, don’t be fooled by the outside appearance. The bills are ridiculously high and both apartments look dreadful. To be honest, every apartment in Changchun is shocking.

Program:
Location: China
Posted: Oct 3, 2017
Overall:
4
Support:
1
Value:
6

Go Abroad China (GAC) ***Warning Fake Reviews***

I lived in Beijing before for studying and always had this dream to come back and settle in the city, having a proper job and etc. I graduated this year and thought it would be the perfect timing to come back to China. But I didn’t know what to do or where to start… I was a bit lost and didn’t have anything actually planned.
When I found Go Abroad China on Google it immediately came across as a good opportunity for me and fit perfectly to my profile, so I applied online.
Finally, they got a placement for me after weeks of waiting.

I was enrolled to the company I interned. Yeah, I was really lucky! So I was really happy with the internship, with the tasks I had been given and with my marketing team.

So, after 4 months being a hard worker intern, they officially offered me the position of Marketing Assistant, extending it for another 6 months and it will be reviewed with a view to implementing a full-time contract. Couldn’t be happier!
If you have the same aspirations as me and if you are a hard worker, I highly recommend applying for Go Abroad China Internship program! There are no limits to the benefits that you could gain by making part of it.

Program: Gap Year
Location: China
Posted: Jul 11, 2017
Overall:
8
Support:
7
Value:
8

The Intern Group

The process of arriving to and staying in Shanghai was handled professionally and smoothly to the extent that I never had any issues over this last month. As a point I would recommend this experience to friends as I feel it is a genuine benefit to future aspirations through networking and actively involving myself in a different work place culture. Furthermore, the social experiences with people that I would never otherwise have met strengthens communication and social skills.

Program: Study Abroad
Location: China
Posted: Jul 7, 2017
Overall:
10
Support:
10
Value:
10

The Intern Group

From the moment I applied until the time I got here, communication was great and stayed consistent. Whenever I had questions Tommy was there to help and answer. Even if I needed him to talk to someone on the phone he would do that for me. Everything is very well organized and everyone is great to hang out with and we all get along perfectly. I honestly think if I had any other intern director besides Tommy my experience wouldn’t have been the same. He has really made this whole experience more than I could ever ask for. Not only is he my director but I think of him as a close friend and will forever stay in contact. Walking away with the knowledge and experience that I know I can take into my future endeavors and career. Studio White Group is a sensational business to work at with great and very intelligent management and a great staff around the office. Great roommates! Great area to live in. Around the popular areas and restaurants. Easy to get to and from work. Metro close by. The food is fantastic. I like traveling to different areas and experiencing new flavors. The food is one of the parts that really make living in China a great experience. I was never afraid to do anything with people or by myself. Going out at night was fun, meeting the locals and even foreigners were great, and living the Chinese life is a memory I will keep forever.

Program: Study Abroad
Location: China
Posted: Jul 6, 2017
Overall:
10
Support:
10
Value:
10

Gi2C China Internship

Gi2c is an expensive fraud that also now operates under 4 other names (alias operations) that include WiseWay Global Education, Laowai Career Center, and Getin2China and according to China's Tax Bureau and Busines License Agency (SAIC) non of them are legally registered to do business in China except Getin2China which they said was shut down by the police in 2014 for "visa fraud".

I only lost a $300 deposit because I learned about the scam early when I noticed that my "career counselor" Mary (who speaks fluent English) also worked as a "consultant" in the other-other 4 alias companies and she denied it when I asked here about it even after I played her voice that I recorded when I called the other numbers and asked for her. (There is a shared office on Zhongguancun Street in Haidian District of Beijing).

I eventually found my own job in China and no longer needed an internship. So when I got to China I went to get my $300 "refundable deposit" back at the above address which the police strangely know about. I met two other victims of Gi2c who said no to Gi2c but "yes" to Laowai Career Center (not knowing they were the same scam wearing different clothes).

Both of them and myself were threatened by the Russiam owner that if we made any problems for him after he return our money, he would get expelled from China because he had "connections with the cops". This may be true because when I went to the they already knew about this company and even referred to "Yuri" and then one of the young woman police officers followed me outside when I left and handed me this link written on a piece of paper and said "Wai guo ren Yuri fei chang bu hao ma fan" (Translation: This foreigner Yuri is bad trouble). Anyway, here is the link she gave me https://www.scam.com/entry.php?6418-Beware-of-China-s-many-Legal-Scams-l....

I found out one of the other victims got a full refund because they threatened to bring a CCTV news reporter to Yuri's office. So I did the same thing and he paid me 2,000 rmb within 15 minutes but demanded that I sign a paper saying I had no problems with Gi2c and Laowai Career Center. I scribbled what he thought was my signature to get the money i my hands. What I wrote was "You R Afraud". This morning my colleague showed me this link, and it motivated me to make this review to help warn others. http://www.opnlttr.com/letter/laowai-career-center-189-other-black-scam-...

BTW... there is a man in his office named Stefan who is one of his employees that writes fake blogs under the name of "Stephanie" and he was arguing with Yuri that he was cheated on his pay by 3,000 and he was threatening to quit and "blog the truth to everyone". When he saw that I was trying to video the argument with my phone he blew a fuse and slammed the door. I guess this guy cheats a lot of people - even his own employees.

Program: TEFL
Location: China
Posted: Apr 12, 2017
Overall:
1
Support:
1
Value:
1

Frontier

I arrived in the country early so had a few days to relax before I met up with the others on the Panda project. We spent a couple of days with the interpreter who took us around and showed us the wilderness and the mountains. For me the experience of being on a project in a group and with the young people was much better than what I thought it would be, the project was very well run and there were lots of activities available to do in the evening if you chose to.

For me the most enjoyable part of the project was being with the pandas feeding them preparing the food and cleaning their area. The project is not only for youngsters there is no age limit and no matter what age you are the volunteers and staff really do make you feel welcome and take you into the group.

Program: Volunteer Abroad
Location: China
Posted: Apr 7, 2017
Overall:
10
Support:
10
Value:
10

Gi2C China Internship

Gi2c is a verified scam operation that operates under 4 different names that I can find (maybe there are more?). Gi2c, Getin2China, WiseWay Global, and Laowai Career Center. A Russian named Yuri is the owner of all these companies that he runs with a former Russian prostitute girlfriend, that has reformed herself from one crime to another - fraud. At least in her former crime the customer got some satisfaction.

There are many China internship scam companies that want to charge you a fee to work illegally in China, either without a Z visa, or asking you to use a fake university degree or to lie on your visa application. Here are the red flags and confirmations you need to read to understand just how risky going to China illegally can be:

http://opnlttr.com/letter/laowai-career-center-189-other-black-scam-agen...

https://scam.com/entry.php?6435-China-Internship-Reviews-Chinese-Fortune...!

http://opnlttr.com/letter/china-visa-police-using-clever-sting-fake-job-...

http://antifraudintl.org/threads/china-internship-visa-scams.96692/

http://china-briefing.com/news/2015/01/14/employing-foreign-nationals-ch...

Gi2c like other black China companies operate in the gray area of the law and when they have "problems" they merely bribe the officials to look the other way. They also make their interns break the law by lying on their visa applications. Not cool.

Program: Gap Year
Location: China
Posted: Mar 23, 2017
Overall:
1
Support:
1
Value:
1

Gi2C China Internship

SCAM ALERT!

Beware people! Gi2C is a sophisticated and believable fraud that is blacklisted all over the internet if you look past pages 5-7 since the Gi2C webmaster Steve, filled the first 4 pages with their propaganda fake testimonials to push down all the complaints since most web visitors do not look past page 2 of search results.

Most of the positive comments you see in this thread were placed by Gi2c employees and paid shills. How do I know this? Read these two links and you will also know it is true. Prepare to be angry:

https://eslwatch.info/en/forum/china/117-fraud-warning-gi2c-and-other-ch...

https://eslwatch.info/en/forum/china/117-fraud-warning-gi2c-and-other-ch...

I also found these complaints which are similar to my own experience with this group of liars.

http://www.scamorg.com/gi2c-org-38

https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?685296-Fraud-Alert!-Gi2C-is-super-sl...!

https://www.scamguard.com/gi2corg/

Uni students and recent grads are their primary target. Be warned that they operate under various alias names and websites including Getin2China, Laowai Career Center, Gi2c, WiseWay Global, and China Job Express.

Program: Study Abroad
Location: China
Posted: Mar 16, 2017
Overall:
1
Support:
1
Value:
1

Gi2C China Internship

Very misleading sales people actually advised me to lie on my visa application because they were not authorized to sponsor my visit on the mandatory Z visa required by law. They claimed that they worked with the top 100 universities in America,and Canada, and the U.K. which they called partners, yet none of the 20 universities I called in America ever heard of them.

When I asked the sales girl "Mary" how many interns did they place with Fortune 500 companies last year she replied "dozens". But when I asked her to list just 10 Fortune 500 Companies they worked with in China she changed the subject. When I asked her again, she said she had a bad connection and then hung up on me.

I finally made it to China on my own after getting my own internship directly from KPMG. After arriving in China I met up with three Gi2c interns including a French girl named Maliko and they were all angry with the internships Gi2c obtained for them and two of them were demanding refunds.

We then found this and many more links about them on the internet. They surely are a fraud to be avoided at all costs: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/is-gi2c-china-internshi...

I also learned that the Russian owner Yuri has a ten year history of running scams in China that target foreigners. Here are the details of all of his scams; https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?704467-UPDATED-China-Liars-List-ESL-...

Program: Gap Year
Location: China
Posted: Mar 6, 2017
Overall:
1
Support:
1
Value:
1

The Intern Group

I have done the program for 3 months in Hong Kong, and I would definitely recommend it. Even though I only know the team in Hong Kong I can tell that the Inter Group as a whole is well-dedicated team, which will always try give you the best solution whenever you need. Also, the experience to work abroad is very valuable in many ways, to learn other cultures, to meet new people, to gain work experience , to have fun and enjoy living abroad, etc. As I said before, I took the 3-months program and after that I decided to stay living in Hong Kong at least for 1 year after all experience gained with the Intern Group,so again, I would recommend 100% to live this experience before its too late. ABSOLUTELY WORTH IT!

Program: Gap Year
Location: China
Posted: Dec 19, 2016
Overall:
10
Support:
10
Value:
10

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